The Truth About Sapphic Divorce Rates

This information was originally posted as a thread by bambi_girl_wlw (Sumaya Si) on Threads. I have consolidated this thread here for easy reference for anyone that wants to use the data. Everything between the separators here is her work.


Lesbian divorce rates are not unusually high. Reality is lesbians have the lowest rates of cheating and some of the highest relationship satisfaction. This thread debunks a widely misunderstood statistic—using real data.

The “70%” figure comes from ONS data from England and Wales, but it is often misunderstood. The data do not say that 70% of lesbian marriages end in divorce. What the ONS data actually state is that among all same-sex divorces, about 70% involved lesbian couples and 30% involved gay male couples. Importantly, the absolute number of divorces is low for both groups.

If we look further into the ONS data, the percentage of same-sex divorces involving lesbian couples was:

  • 2017: 74% female couples, 26% male couples
  • 2019: 72% female couples, 28% male couples
  • 2021: 67.2% female couples, 32.8% male couples

From this, we can conclude that the gap has been narrowing each year.

You might still think this is high compared to gay male couples. However, lesbians are more likely to get married than gay men. In England & Wales, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), the female share of same-sex marriages was:

  • 2014: 56.1%
  • 2016: 55.7%
  • 2018: 57.2%
  • 2020: 57.2%
  • 2022: 62.8%

This shows that the marriage rate among lesbian couples is increasing. If we look closely at 2021–2022, the share of marriages and divorces was almost the same. 

According to the 2021 Census and recent surveys (which measure individuals, not couples):
About 2.8% of men identify as gay
About 1.2% of women identify as lesbian
This means there are fewer lesbians overall, yet they make up a larger share of same-sex marriages, suggesting that a higher percentage of lesbians are getting married. 

Yes, in most countries, lesbians do have higher divorce rates than gay men. However, there are exceptions. For example, in Taiwan, gay men actually have a slightly higher divorce rate. From Taiwan MOI / GEC data, when used consistently:
65–70% of same-sex marriages are female couples
~30–35% are male couples
~60–63% of same-sex divorces are female couples
~37–40% are male couples
When these numbers are normalized, gay male couples show a slightly higher divorce rate per marriage. 

Reasons why lesbians may initiate more divorces compared to gay men 

  1. Lesbians are more likely to get married A summary of LGB adults from the Williams Institute showed that: About 51% of women who identify as lesbian were married or cohabiting Only about 35% of gay men reported being in a partnered relationship In most countries, there are more gay men overall, yet lesbians make up a larger share of marriages. I reviewed multiple datasets across different countries, and most showed the same pattern. This suggests that many lesbian women getting married earlier.
  2. Multiple studies suggest that gay men are more likely to be in open relationships than lesbians: In an analysis by Blumstein & Schwartz (cited in Peplau & Beals), 82% of gay male couples reported being non-monogamous, compared to 28% of lesbian couples According to Wikipedia’s summary of available data, about 33% of gay men reported being in open relationships, versus only about 5% of lesbians This suggests that gay men may be less likely to divorce due to adultery or cheating.
  3. Parenting and child-related stress According to U.S. Census data (2019): 22.5% of female same-sex couple households had at least one child under 18 6.6% of male same-sex couple households had at least one child under 18 Overall, lesbians are more likely to have children than gay men, which may mean that parenting-related conflicts are less common in gay male couples. Additionally, lesbian women are more likely to experience pregnancy- and postpartum-related stress, which affect marriages.
  4. Lesbians are the group least likely to cheat on their partner. According to the study “Extradyadic Sex and its Predictors in Homo- and Heterosexuals” by J. Haversath & Kröger (2014):
    4% of lesbian women
    34% of gay men
    29% of heterosexual women
    49% of heterosexual men reported extradyadic sexual contacts (aka cheating).
    This explains that lesbians are individuals who leave the relationship instead of committing adultery.
  5. Lesbians are the happiest and most satisfied among all couples. This suggests that lesbians tend to leave bad relationships earlier. Studies show that lesbian’s tend to be the happiest and most satisfied among all types of couples. For example, a longitudinal study tracking lesbian, gay male, and heterosexual couples over time found that lesbian couples consistently reported the highest overall relationship quality on average across all assessments
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18855506/

In another Swedish follow-up study of couples after assisted reproduction, researchers found that lesbian couples reported greater relationship satisfaction and maintained stable, happy feelings—even when facing the stress of treatment.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12905-014-0154-1

When comparing lesbians specifically to heterosexual women, research also reveals significantly higher levels of satisfaction for lesbian couples.


Again, this information was compiled by bambi_girl_wlw (Sumaya Si) on Threads, and all credit should be extended to her.

America Was Never Great

I’m copying this post from Facebook, so I have it available. The original post is by historian Jermaine Fowler. This is his work, reproduced here simply for easy reference. (Facebook is not a reliable reference.)

November 01, 2025 (Saturday)

On June 5, 1934, about a year and a half after Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of the Reich, the leading lawyers of Nazi Germany met to plan what became the Nuremberg Laws, the centerpiece of Nazi racial legislation. A stenographer recorded every word—ink on paper, archived where most Americans will never look.

The transcript reveals something we’d rather not remember: the meeting opened with a detailed memorandum on the race laws of the United States.

For hours, these Nazi lawyers debated American legal precedents. They discussed whether to bring Jim Crow segregation to Germany. They analyzed anti-miscegenation statutes from thirty American states. They examined how the U.S. classified and constrained the citizenship and political status of colonized peoples (including Native Americans and Filipinos) across different eras.

They were particularly impressed by the “one-drop rule”—some states defined anyone with even one Black ancestor, however distant, as Black.

And here’s the part that should haunt us: as Yale law professor James Q. Whitman documents in Hitler’s American Model, some Nazi jurists considered parts of U.S. racial law too extreme to implement in 1934.

Let that settle in. The architects of the Holocaust looked at Jim Crow and thought, “That might be going too far.”

This meeting reveals what Black intellectuals had been warning about for years: Jim Crow was more than a failure of American democracy. It was American fascism, fully operational. Impressive enough that the Nazis used it as their blueprint.

We prefer to think of fascism as something foreign, something that happened over there. But as Whitman documented, America in the early 20th century was “the leading racist jurisdiction in the world,” and Nazi lawyers knew it.

Here’s the problem: fascism has an American accent, but we’ve trained ourselves not to hear it. We know the Berlin book burnings but not the Tulsa massacre (1921), where a prosperous Black neighborhood was bombed from the air and burned to ash. We remember Kristallnacht but forget Rosewood (1923), where an entire Black town was erased.

We teach the Nuremberg trials but not Buck v. Bell (1927), where the Supreme Court legalized forced sterilization with the words “three generations of imbeciles are enough.” We built concentration camps for Japanese Americans (1942–1945) while fighting fascism abroad.

The U.S. ran medical experiments on Black men in Tuskegee (1932–1972) for forty years. We turned convict leasing into slavery by another name, we drew redlining maps (1930s onward) that still determine who builds wealth and who doesn’t, and we did all of it with legal precision and bureaucratic efficiency.

That’s not a catalog of failures. That’s fascism with American characteristics. And our refusal to name it has let it survive, adapt, and return.

While most Americans remained blind to the fascist system in their own country, Black intellectuals saw it clearly. They lived inside it.

W.E.B. Du Bois, writing in the 1930s and ‘40s, explicitly connected Jim Crow to European fascism. He argued that American racial oppression had anticipated Nazi Germany. When McCarthyism emerged, Du Bois warned that anti-communist repression was “American fascism” that “would use the negroes much as Hitler used the Jews.” Hyperbole? Not at all. He was being precise.

Claudia Jones, a Black Communist organizer, spent the 1940s and ‘50s warning that Jim Crow, union-busting, and political repression constituted a fascist system. When she was put on trial in 1948, she told the court she was fighting “the fascist drive on free speech and thought in our country.” For this, she was imprisoned, then deported.

Richard Wright published Native Son in 1940 and explicitly compared the psychology that created Bigger Thomas to the psychology that produced Nazi Germany. He was sounding an alarm. It went unheard.

Fringe voices? No. They were intellectuals with intimate knowledge of American fascism, describing exactly what they saw. We refused to call it by its name.

Jim Crow was a complete political system.

One-party rule? The Democratic Party controlled the South absolutely, just as fascist parties controlled their states.

Political violence? Thousands of lynchings, with state protection for perpetrators and zero convictions.

Racial hierarchy as explicit state policy? Enshrined in law from the Black Codes of 1865 through Plessy v. Ferguson (1896) to the dismantling that finally began with Brown v. Board (1954) and the Voting Rights Act (1965).

Economic exclusion? Sharecropping, wage theft, segregation that destroyed wealth accumulation.

Extrajudicial killing? Spectacle lynchings where towns gathered, took photographs, sold postcards.

This was a fascist system, running in America for a century. We just called it something else.

The Voting Rights Act didn’t end the system. It regulated it. And for sixty years, we’ve been systematically removing those regulations.

The Supreme Court gutted preclearance requirements in Shelby County v. Holder (2013). Voter ID laws proliferate. Polling places close in Black neighborhoods. Voter rolls are purged using the same logic as literacy tests—technical requirements that seem neutral but function to exclude.

Then 2025 arrived. The components rebooted in public.

Remember the components of the Jim Crow fascist system? They’re roaring back, operating in plain sight.

One-party rule? Republican-controlled state legislatures have gerrymandered themselves into permanent power. In several states, precision-drawn maps have produced durable majorities from minority vote shares, letting parties pre-decide outcomes before ballots are cast.

Manipulation of citizenship? Orders and drafts targeting birthright citizenship revive a legal architecture the Nazis studied—and it echoes here, the same state-by-state strategy that made Jim Crow untouchable for a century. Create the legal theory in friendly courts. Spread it through executive action. Let states enforce it locally.

Political violence with state protection? January 6th defendants are being pardoned and celebrated. Reporting shows federal voting-rights enforcement has receded—staff exodus, case withdrawals, and shifting priorities. Armed “observers” and intimidation resurface in Black and Latino precincts. No convictions. No consequences. The state protects the perpetrators—just like it did during Jim Crow.

Economic exclusion? DEI programs were ended by executive order, with knock-on effects in grants and contracting; parts of the contractor regime and equity rules are in flux or under court review. Wealth routes are narrowed by policy choices that systematically reduce opportunity and capital access.

Extrajudicial control? Police violence continues with qualified immunity intact. Mass deportation plans target mixed-status families, separating citizens from non-citizens using the same logic that once separated “Negro” from “white.” The cruelty is the system working as designed.

The question echoes across a century: Can states create second-class citizens? Under Trump 2.0, the answer is becoming clear. Not through mob violence this time but through executive orders, through captured courts, through laws that sound neutral but target with precision.

This is old Jim Crow putting its boots back on.

Stop asking if fascism is coming to America.

American fascism never left. We defeated its European students in 1945 but never dismantled the system they’d studied. We renamed it. We regulated it. We pretended the regulations were transformation.

The lawyers who met in 1934 would recognize what’s happening now. They’d see the same legal architecture, the same manipulation of citizenship, the same use of federalism to protect local oppression. They’d just be surprised we kept it running this long.

W.E.B. Du Bois saw it. Claudia Jones saw it. Richard Wright saw it. They told us exactly what it was. We ignored them because the truth was too uncomfortable.

This is the return of American Democracy to its original form, the one impressive enough that fascists crossed an ocean to study it.

Picture the ledger books from 1934, still filed in Berlin archives. Picture the voter rolls being purged in Georgia right now. Picture the same elegant legal language, a century apart, doing the same ugly work.

How much longer will we pretend it ever left?

The Transgender Sports Issue

Recently, Pete Buttigieg tried to assert that the transgender sports issue is “complex” and that the voices of those who oppose trans girls in sports should be heard too. I suppose you could claim the issue is “complex” but there’s already a great deal of scientific research about this that’s complete. Some of the studies included large numbers of trans athletes too, so the results are something to think about. Let’s look at a few of the largest of those studies.

The US Air Force conducted two studies about transgender athletic performance, using transgender and cisgender service members. Service members are in considerably better physical condition than the rest of the United States because they have to be. They take and must pass physical fitness tests multiple times per year. Failure to pass usually means the soldier in question has a limited time to retake and pass the test or be discharged from the service for failure to meet the physical requirements associated with military service.

So service members provide an excellent proxy for athletes and there is a large number of them that can be evaluated to get reasonable samples. So what did the Air Force find about transgender service members?

First, before beginning hormone replacement therapy (HRT), transgender women consistently performed worse than cisgender men. After one year of hormone therapy, transgender women performed worse than with no hormone therapy but still better than cisgender women. But by two years of HRT, transgender women performed in the same range as cisgender women in every category measured, except one. Even their bone density lessened until it was the same as cisgender women’s bone density. Their VO2 max lessened until it was in the same range as cisgender women.

Now, to be specific, in the smaller Air Force study conducted by TA Roberts, J Smalley, and D Ahrendt, after 2 years, trans women showed a minor run speed advantage but performed otherwise the same as cisgender women in all other tests. In the larger study, done by E. Chicarelli, J Aden, D Ahrendt, and J Smalley, the run speed advantage vanished when examined across a larger sample size. I’ve provided a link to the study below which is from the National Library of Medicine. Further, the larger study went on to the four years mark of HRT as well, however, many of the transgender service members chose to leave the service and were not available for comparison in the four year data sample.

This wasn’t a unique result either. The International Olympic Committee has studied this multiple times and found no basis to support any claim that transgender women will outperform cisgender women. In fact, in April 2024, the IOC released another study that said that, based on the data measured, transgender women not only did not perform better than cisgender women in elite athletics but the data suggested that trans women are actually at a minor handicap in elite athletics vs cisgender women. Trans women athletes tend to have more body fat and less lean muscle mass than cisgender women athletes. The IOC did find that trans women retained an advantage in grip strength though.

So what the science is telling us, repeatedly, is that in most sports, trans women do not have a significant advantage over cisgender women. This is especially true of team sports like basketball, volleyball, and soccer. You can argue that more specific research needs to be done but anyone making the blanket claim that trans women should be banned from all women’s sports is simply talking from a position of ignorance and bigotry.

Finally, what has not been done is any sort of analysis on trans girls who never undergo male puberty. That’s a study that likely needs to be done. However, as someone who coached youth soccer for years, I can state that I very often found pre-pubescent cisgender girls to be more athletic than the pre-pubescent cisgender boys. That’s anecdotal but it’s a common observation. What we don’t currently have (to the best of my knowledge) are any significant studies on the impacts of puberty blockers and HRT on trans kids who do not then experience their biological puberty.

We can give Pete the benefit of the doubt on this because it is a nuanced issue and it does need more study. However, I think we can authoritatively agree that total bans on trans women and trans girls in all women’s sports is not based on science, and has more to do with bigotry and hate than with anything scientific.

REFERENCES:

The Impact of Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy on Physical Performance

Strength, power and aerobic capacity of transgender athletes: a cross-sectional study

Biology Is A Shit Show

This has been posted elsewhere many times over the years and was composed by Rebecca Helm, a biologist and assistant professor at the University of North Carolina (at least at the time this was written).

Rebecca Helm, a biologist and an assistant professor at the University of North Carolina, Asheville US writes:

Friendly neighborhood biologist here. I see a lot of people are talking about biological sexes and gender right now. Lots of folks make biological sex sex seem really simple. Well, since it’s so simple, let’s find the biological roots, shall we? Let’s talk about sex…[a thread]

If you know a bit about biology you will probably say that biological sex is caused by chromosomes, XX and you’re female, XY and you’re male. This is “chromosomal sex” but is it “biological sex”?

Well…

Turns out there is only ONE GENE on the Y chromosome that really matters to sex. It’s called the SRY gene. During human embryonic development the SRY protein turns on male-associated genes. Having an SRY gene makes you “genetically male”. But is this “biological sex”?

Sometimes that SRY gene pops off the Y chromosome and over to an X chromosome. Surprise! So now you’ve got an X with an SRY and a Y without an SRY. What does this mean?

A Y with no SRY means physically you’re female, chromosomally you’re male (XY) and genetically you’re female (no SRY). An X with an SRY means you’re physically male, chromsomally female (XX) and genetically male (SRY). But biological sex is simple! There must be another answer…

Sex-related genes ultimately turn on hormones in specifics areas on the body, and reception of those hormones by cells throughout the body. Is this the root of “biological sex”??

“Hormonal male” means you produce ‘normal’ levels of male-associated hormones. Except some percentage of females will have higher levels of ‘male’ hormones than some percentage of males. Ditto ditto ‘female’ hormones. And…

…if you’re developing, your body may not produce enough hormones for your genetic sex. Leading you to be genetically male or female, chromosomally male or female, hormonally non-binary, and physically non-binary. Well, except cells have something to say about this…

Maybe cells are the answer to “biological sex”?? Right?? Cells have receptors that “hear” the signal from sex hormones. But sometimes those receptors don’t work. Like a mobile phone that’s on “do not disturb’. Call and call, they will not answer.

What does this all mean?

It means you may be genetically male or female, chromosomally male or female, hormonally male/female/non-binary, with cells that may or may not hear the male/female/non-binary call, and all this leading to a body that can be male/non-binary/female.

Try out some combinations for yourself. Notice how confusing it gets? Can you point to what the absolute cause of biological sex is? Is it fair to judge people by it?

Of course you could try appealing to the numbers. “Most people are either male or female” you say.

Except that as a biologist professor I will tell you…

The reason I don’t have my students look at their own chromosome in class is because people could learn that their chromosomal sex doesn’t match their physical sex, and learning that in the middle of a 10-point assignment is JUST NOT THE TIME.

Biological sex is complicated. Before you discriminate against someone on the basis of “biological sex” & identity, ask yourself: have you seen YOUR chromosomes? Do you know the genes of the people you love? The hormones of the people you work with? The state of their cells?


Since the answer will obviously be no, please be kind, respect people’s right to tell you who they are, and remember that you don’t have all the answers. Again: biology is complicated. Kindness and respect don’t have to be.


Note: Biological classifications exist. XX, XY, XXY XXYY and all manner of variation which is why sex isn’t classified as binary. You can’t have a binary classification system with more than two configurations even if two of those configurations are more common than others.

Biology is a shitshow. Be kind to people.

A “Come To Jesus” Moment

That’s actually an amusing title because I’m going to discuss why I’m agnostic/atheist and the inherent problems I see in religion in general.

And I’m bringing this up because I see Jews getting upset that Israel (and by extension, Judaism) getting criticized because of the apartheid state that Israel runs coupled with the ongoing Palestinian genocide that Israel is perpetrating. And no, don’t argue with me whether it’s genocide or not. It fits the UN definition and multiple international human rights organizations have all labeled it genocide. So I’m not arguing about this and if you come here to argue about it, your comment will just get deleted. I’m not playing games with genocide defenders (because YOU, the genocide defenders, are why Trump is in the White House right now).

Anyway, let’s get back to religion. Over and over again throughout history, you find a recurring pattern – every religion that has a deity or deities, and where those deities separate human beings based on whether they worship said deity(ies) or not, you have a religion that ultimately others non-worshipers and then commits atrocities, and often genocides, in the name of said deity(ies). Full stop. Historically, this is an irrefutable fact.

You cannot get around this flaw. Religion is completely just opinion because faith is just opinion about whether something invisible is real or not. You cannot scientifically test it. You cannot see, hear, taste, smell, or feel it. It’s just opinion and, to make matters as much worse as possible, it’s an opinion that, in the historical record kills non-believers.

Every religion that others non-believers has committed atrocities! Every religion that others non-believers is, therefore, a prime enabler of genocidal behavior.

No, I don’t care that your religion is “nice”. Look at the numbers. When you consider the “kind” versions of Christianity versus the Catholics and evangelicals, the Catholics and evangelicals are about 95% of the total. Again, don’t try to argue here. Catholicism and evangelicalism have been prime movers and supporters of colonization, imperialism, and destruction of non-western cultures. History is utterly clear on that too.

So why do we even bother trying to focus on the 5% who are usually “nice” versus the 95% who are hateful, murderous, imperialistic assholes?

I mean, statistically, if I were an alien visiting earth and I looked at religion, I’d conclude it drives humans to act in utterly irrational and violent ways. Sure, there are a tiny few who are special because of their religion, but there are kind atheists and agnostics too, and they didn’t need “faith” to get that way. Meanwhile, religion continues to drive genocides, “culture wars” that actually kill people the so-called “religious” don’t like, and these religions also seek to impose their opinions (their faith) on everyone else whether you like it or not.

So I am left with this question of why do humans even consider bothering with religion? Are y’all that afraid of death that you’ll murder others to guarantee yourselves seats in some fictional afterlife that absolutely does not exist?

Religion, all religion that tries to separate people into believers and non-believers, is toxic as hell. It’s violent always and it always devolves into mass murder eventually. Every single time. That is an inescapable conclusion of history.

Further, as we see in western nation after western nation, religion demands special treatment and to be exempt from the rule of law of the secular state. Christianity does this. Islam does this. And so does Judaism. Hell, the conservative Jews in Israel are now openly calling for a “civil war” to stop the leftist Jews, to kill other Jews because they see those Jews as a threat to their continued genocide of Palestinians.

I’m not going to tell you that you shouldn’t believe in a deity. I’m not going to tell you to stop being a Christian, a Muslim, or a Jew. But I am going to ask you to honestly try to justify to yourself if the very few decent Christians/Muslims/Jews that you know are worth the cost to humanity of all of the violent and hateful Christians/Muslims/Jews that you see daily on our news channels.

Because if you are going to cling to an opinion (a belief, without any factual backing) that some people are “lesser” just because they don’t believe the way you do, then no matter what else you say, you are not a safe person. Because, in the end, the safety of anyone is conditional on your belief in your particular sky daddy (or daddies, or mommy, etc.) and that’s neither safety nor trustworthy.